So I'm a bigger guy 5/6 220 with muscular build, anyone who is the same knows pants are impossible as the waist will be twice as big as needed to fit your legs.....these pants are perfect being "baggy" they fit awesome.
Second I don't like thin pants as less material less durable, the pants are heavier but you can tell very very well built and solid. Velro extremely strong.
Again they are baggy style pants so knee pads fit fine under them for all us who want to walk when we are 50, stock padding is slightly thing but paddig for the nads is awesome and padding to prevent pack rub is a plus.
The only real con is the pants will need broken in as the material is very strong and stuliff at first.
Long story short, these are the best pants out there if you want pants to last and protection. Skinny tint dudes they will be baggy but us "thicker" men they are a good sent product.
Buy the pants and never worry again.